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ago by Innovator (58.1k points)
Over 3M people were deported under Obama, most without a chance to plead their case in court.

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ago by Novice (690 points)
Factually, this is not incorrect. According to this https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/yearbook/2016/table39 chart from the DHS.gov website regarding deportations from the years Obama was president, roughly 3,080,000 deportations were reported by the DHS. With this being said, there is no evidence in the article to prove that the courts denied the defendents their ability to defend themselves in court.

With this being said: there are stories regarding immigrants lacking proper defense attorneys, proper language translation, and general issues with the court system at large. Here is a somewhat general overview of the immigration court system, and many problems that exist within: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/research/us-immigration-courts.

Due to all of this, I think its fair to say that the information is correct, though further context is needed.
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ago by Newbie (320 points)
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Very nice response. Great job addressing that technically this is correct but on the other hand there isn't evidence proving courts denied the defendants a fair trial. You also mentioned the stories about immigrants lacking proper defense attorneys which is great context to include. Overall great response and nice job citing your sources.
ago by Novice (770 points)
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I appreciate the nuance in your answer. The secondary claim that most people who were deported didn't get a chance to plead their case is somewhat ambiguous. It's unclear whether this means to imply they were denied due process entirely or simply could not plead their case fairly due to various other systematic issues, as you pointed out.
ago by Newbie (260 points)
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Great response! You did an excellent job explaining that while technically correct, there’s no solid evidence proving the courts denied the defendants a fair trial. I also appreciated your inclusion of the context about immigrants not having proper defense attorneys—that adds valuable insight. Overall, well done, and great job citing your sources!
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Yes, the fact that 3 million people were deported during Obama's presidency is correct according to the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Yearbook of Immigration Statistics.

But the contention that most deportees were not given a chance to plead their case in court can be different. Although expediting removals were applied against border crossers and certain types of criminals, most deportations still included the legal process. Issues like poor legal representation and language barriers in immigration courts, highlighted by the Migration Policy Institute (source), cloud the character of the justice system.

Therefore, although the statistics on deportations are correct, more information is needed on the problems with the court system.
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Great response! I'm glad you used another outside source too, but try to credit it next time. It's also good that you had a counterargument to the true claim. You're absolutely right about the deportation process by Obama. While the number of deportations is correct, the claim about most deportees not having a chance to plead their case in court is more complex.
ago by Newbie (480 points)
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I appreciate that you mentioned legal processes like expedited removal. Still, I think your post might make it sound like most deportations involved a full trial when that wasn’t necessarily the case. According to TRAC data, many deportations were ‘administrative removals’ where the person had little to no legal defense or access to a judge. I’d love to see you dig into how often people actually got to argue their case.
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ago by Newbie (480 points)
The claim that “over 3 million people were deported under Obama, most without a chance to plead their case in court” is accurate, but requires clarification. According to the Department of Homeland Security, more than 3 million individuals were deported during President Obama’s two terms in office. However, the nature of those deportations is essential to understand. A significant portion occurred through expedited removal processes or reinstatement of removal, which are legal procedures that do not involve a formal hearing before an immigration judge. These processes are permitted under U.S. immigration law, particularly for individuals apprehended near the border or those who had previously been deported and reentered illegally. While these removals were lawful, they often bypassed traditional court proceedings, meaning many individuals were deported without the opportunity to plead their case before a judge. This enforcement approach was part of Obama’s broader immigration strategy, particularly in his first term, which focused heavily on border security and prioritizing deportations of recent arrivals and those with criminal records.
 

Department of Homeland Security (https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook),

Migration Policy Institute (https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/obama-record-deportations-legacy)

TRAC Immigration (https://trac.syr.edu/phptools/immigration/remove/).
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ago by Newbie (240 points)
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I appreciate the links to relevant laws and judicial they not only give a reason for the claims truth but they also allow a good comparison to other administrations forms of deportation enabling further conversation and granting the tools to evaluate context.

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