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Many claim that electric cars are actually worse than gas-powered vehicles, usually focused on the environmental costs of mining things like lithium, cobalt, and nickel used in EV battery life. Various independent lifecycle studies, however, have concluded EVs produce less overall pollution than gasoline-powered cars, even accounting for producing battery packs and electricity. There is certainly more environmental effect in the production of batteries, but this is regained after a few years of use with zero tailpipe emissions.

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I agree with the facts you stated. Looking at the source you provided I think that it is a very un biased and truthful site. Earth org publishes many other articles about how to help the earth. Was Earth org the first source that you found or was it the one with the best information/ explanation.
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I agree with you, but I would like to know the cost differences as well, between electric and gas vehicles.
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While initially the production of a car battery does have a higher environmental impact, due to the intense mining and manufacturing that go into building them, electric vehicles make up for this and more over their lifetime. Additionally, as we progress and make innovations regarding electric cars, the emissions created from producing these batteries will continue to decline.

https://re-volv.org/blog-center/articles/everything-you-need-to-know-about-electric-vehicles
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The claim that electric vehicles (EVs) are worse for the environment than gasoline-powered cars due to the mining of materials like lithium, cobalt, and nickel is not entirely accurate. While the production of EV batteries does have a higher environmental impact, particularly from mining and manufacturing, independent lifecycle studies show that EVs produce significantly fewer emissions over their entire lifespan. Even when accounting for the production of batteries and the electricity used to charge EVs, they result in lower overall greenhouse gas emissions compared to gasoline vehicles. The initial environmental cost of battery production is offset after a few years of use, and the zero tailpipe emissions of EVs contribute to reduced local air pollution and health benefits.
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I have found this claim to be true that electric vehicles are not worse than gas vehicles because of battery production. It is important to acknowledge that even though the overall carbon footprint is still smaller than that of a gas-fueled car, they can still create a large negative impact through the manufacturing and disposure of batteries. However, there are various large studies and reports from reliable sources such as the United States Environmental Protection Agency, NPR, and UC Santa Barbara Institute for Energy Efficiency that all lead to the same proven claim that in comparison to gas-fueled vehicles, electric vehicles emit a smaller carbon footprint and are better for the environment in comparison.

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/09/1250212212/ev-batteries-environmental-impact

https://iee.ucsb.edu/news-events/news/are-electric-cars-better-environment-fuel-powered-cars-heres-verdict
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The claim that electric vehicles (EVs) are environmentally superior to gasoline-powered cars is well supported by independent lifecycle studies, which consistently show that despite higher emissions during battery production, EVs have lower overall carbon footprint over time due to zero tailpipe emissions. The article by Martina Igini on Earth.Org backs this up, referencing credible studies and emphasizing that the initial environmental cost is offset after few years of use. The author, Martina Igini, appears trustworthy she is the Editor-in-Chief at Earth.Org, overseeing editorial operations and global contributor network. She has significant experience covering climate-related topics and has worked for the United Nations Global Communication Department as well as reporting in Italy, with academic credentials in journalism and international development (Earth.org bio). Her background lends credibility to the source and helps validate the article’s conclusions.

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Electric vehicles (EVs) are generally considered better for the environment than gas-powered cars, even when accounting for the environmental impact of battery production. EVs typically have a smaller carbon footprint than gasoline cars, producing fewer greenhouse gases over their lifetime, even when considering the emissions from electricity generation used to charge them (EPA). They are also more energy-efficient, converting approximately 87-91% of the energy from the battery into movement, compared to gasoline vehicles which only convert about 16-25% of the energy from gasoline (EPA). While the production of lithium-ion batteries does have environmental drawbacks, including significant energy use and greenhouse gas emissions (IER), advancements in battery technology and recycling can mitigate these impacts. For instance, recycling lithium-ion batteries can reduce greenhouse gas emissions by up to 61% (Llamas-Orozco). As the electricity grid becomes greener with more renewable energy sources, the overall environmental impact of EVs will continue to decrease (EPA). In summary, despite the environmental impacts of battery production, the overall benefits of EVs, including lower greenhouse gas emissions and higher energy efficiency, make them a better choice for the environment compared to gas-powered cars (EPA)(Yekikian).

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While electric vehicles (EVs) are often promoted as environmentally friendly alternatives to gasoline-powered cars, a closer examination reveals significant environmental and ethical concerns associated with their production and operation.

The manufacturing of EV batteries involves the extraction of critical minerals like lithium, cobalt, and nickel, processes that are energy-intensive and environmentally damaging. For instance, hard rock mining for lithium emits approximately 15 tonnes of CO₂ for every tonne of lithium extracted . Additionally, cobalt mining, predominantly in the Democratic Republic of Congo, has been linked to deforestation, habitat destruction, and severe human rights abuses, including child labor.

Lithium extraction, particularly in arid regions like Chile's Salar de Atacama, consumes vast amounts of water—up to 2 million liters per ton of lithium—leading to water scarcity and affecting local communities and ecosystems . Similarly, nickel mining in Indonesia has resulted in deforestation and water pollution, adversely impacting local populations .

While EVs produce zero tailpipe emissions, the electricity used to charge them often comes from fossil fuel sources. In regions reliant on coal-fired power plants, the overall greenhouse gas emissions from EVs can be comparable to or even exceed those of efficient gasoline vehicles .

The recycling infrastructure for EV batteries is still developing. Without efficient recycling systems, the environmental benefits of EVs diminish, as the extraction and processing of raw materials continue to have significant ecological footprints .

In conclusion, while EVs offer potential environmental advantages, it's crucial to address the substantial environmental and ethical issues associated with their production and energy sources to ensure a truly sustainable transition from fossil fuels.

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I agree, there are many lifecycle analyses that have been done that show that electric vehicles tend to produce less overall pollution compared to gas powered cars, even when considering the environmental impact of mining and manufacturing battery components like lithium or nickel. While the production of electric car batteries do not have a big environmental footprint, the reduced emissions during the overall life of the vehicle often offset this impact over time. For example there was a study done by the Union of Concerned Scientists that found that electric cars produce less than half the emissions compared to gas cars over the car’s lifetime, including manufacturing and electricity generation.

Source: https://www.ucs.org/resources/cleaner-cars-cradle-grave 

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I did a research project on this subject. How EVs can make a difference in climate change.  

The facts are : 

Electric Vehicles Can: Help alleviate climate change, reduce greenhouse gas emissions, play a necessary role in cutting down emissions, especially when they’re charged using renewable energy sources. 

How widespread EV adoption can reduce climate change effects: EVs eliminate tailpipe emissions, improving air quality and lowering greenhouse gases. Their superior energy efficiency and potential reliance on renewable energy further minimize environmental consequences. Widespread adoption offers economic advantages but faces high costs, charging infrastructure, and battery production concerns.
In conclusion, Electric vehicles are a favorable way to limit transportation emissions and tackle climate change. As there are still hurdles like economic worries, lack of infrastructure, and production emissions, progress is being made by continuous improvements in battery technology, supportive policies, and the growth of charging networks. By boosting innovation and making it available so that people have equitable access to EV resources, a shift toward a more sustainable transportation future will become a reality. 
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While it is definitely true that the manufacturing of batteries used in electric vehicles causes carbon emissions, such as the emissions from the factory manufacturing the resources into a battery, and the emissions from the machines used to gather the resources for the battery. However, these emissions won't compete with the emissions from the gas car in the lifespan of the car. While electric vehicles have a higher upfront cost of emissions the emissions from gas cars continue to go up every year, eventually outweighing the electric vehicle. This source from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency agrees with my claims.

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths#Myth2
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